This is some of the best duck and goose loads I have shot. Knock down power is awesome. What I have notice is the longer 3rd shot stones the birds like they are pads up in your face on the closer shots. It is a little pricey but if you are a decent shot it is worth it. Not a lot of cripples after using it. I did have a problem with one case but the company took care of it and got reinbursed right away.